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Standing seam valley design

@polar59 Tom — Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:01:33 -0500

This is a picture of the ends of the panels that they took off. I have to believe that it was only a matter of time before all of that muck that collected in the “leaf and dirt catcher” would have caused corrosion, let alone a nasty buildup that was visible to the naked eye. Thank you to all who commented on the design.

Standing seam valley design

@polar59 Tom — Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:57:52 -0500

Before and after pictures. Much better!

New roof and cracked/split plywood

@roof_lover Singletrackin — Sat, 17 Apr 2021 04:42:03 -0500

Concern is 100 percent legit.

Now have them tear off ALL the ridge vent on that ridge.
Fix, replace wood All the way across that ridge.
Why? Because all their ridge vent and shingle cap nails are hitting directly into that tiny little sheeting strip
They should have cut the plywood back and replaced it back at least one foot. ( others will claim more)

Horrible work,
So
Sorry to see…
Replace the shingles underneath the ridge vents also.

These roofers are about to learn something.

Remove all the shingles above 13 1/4 inches from the ridge on that one side.
Install one foot strips of wood.
You will get 32 feet with one sheet.

The split wood you originally thought was a problem is really not.
But nailing ridge vent directly into where two sheets meet IS a problem, a big one.

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@Ivoman — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 18:19:12 -0500

Hear hear … A truce! Until the next time we meet on the battlefield.

Edit: I have chosen to delete my previous posts as I too then become an “asshat” for shaving someone down for little purpose other than everyone else’s entertainment. It is abundantly clear you have an overwhelming pride in your craft and who am I to undermine that. If you feel the need to berate me because I approach issues differently than you, that is your choice. Lashing back is simply not the direction I see as beneficial towards my goals and the foundation of this community.

I apologize.

Ivoman (Sometimes Mr. Teesla ??? … Mwahaha)

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@Tileman — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 18:17:27 -0500

I’m done thanks for the entertainment.

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@Ivoman — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 17:30:25 -0500

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@Tileman — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 17:04:50 -0500

We get 300$ per square for 5-12 new construction comp and $425-450 for single layer comp tear off. $800 for basic 24 gauge metal and about the same for standard walkable tile. 65% margin on all repairs. We work an area where all of our jobs are in a 30-40 mile area with little traffic congestion.These numbers are considerably higher than our local market standard but that is our long term reputation allowing for it. And you don’t even want to know what we get on steep difficult jobs. I will offer you my training for free because I feel pity for you. By the way, what’s wrong with torn barstools? It makes it harder to fall off.

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@roofermann Roofermann64 — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:43:43 -0500

Ol shitty board is what we call it. To OP’s issue, quite a few times we’ve cut out 13.5 in and put back 12 in to get rid of that narrow, fragile strip at the ridge

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@Darkthirty — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:16:01 -0500

OSB = Ohh Somna Bitch

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@Ivoman — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 10:02:18 -0500

Looks broken and based upon the image, your concern is legitimate.

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@sn002 Sony — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 09:53:05 -0500

Here are a few pictures that I was able to take.

EPDM flat roof job - functional?

@Darkthirty — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 09:34:47 -0500

You can get a rep, but it’ll cost you.

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@Ivoman — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 09:04:18 -0500

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EPDM flat roof job - functional?

@Dtris Justin — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 08:36:10 -0500

You will probably not be able to get a material rep out unless they used mulehide or another store brand. Flat roof manufacturer’s won’t warrant their products beyond a material only warranty on residences.

The specs call for any wrinkle over 1/2" to be cut out and patched with a slider you make from field membrane and splice tape.

The wrinkles are from a combination of probably not allowing the glue to flash and just being bad.

If he glued over asphalt it could also cause wrinkles as epdm bonding adhesive dissolves asphalt. This means no adhesion and asphalt and rubber should not be left in direct contact as over time the asphalt eats the rubber up.

The seams are covered with a flashing roll or cover tape. Cover tape is not stretchy and should be used to cover the drip edge flange and seams. If it is stretchy it is flashing and can be used over seams but is not as good, and should not be used over drip edge flanges.

This flashing is pressure sensitive and only needs to have the membrane primed and rolled in. However the correct way to do a seam is with seam tape between the lap. Hard to tell if he did a proper seam below the cover tape he put on.

Ponding water and EPDM do not mix. Constant ponding will destroy your seams and peel off the cover tape in a couple years. The water sitting in the sun and heating up and sitting on the membrane is the primary cause for this. It will also bake the membrane and cause it to get brittle prematurely.

Then if you have 3" of standing water that is thousands of lbs weight on a compromised structure. I hope no one lives under that space. A 10x10 area with 3" deep water is holding almost 500 gallons of water at close to 4000 lbs.

I hope you are ready to spend some money. The roof needs to be removed, bad wood fixed, and the ponding issue needs addressed by either framing a slope into the roof or using tapered insulation. You have a safety issue if you think you have a broken rafter holding that much water.

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@Tileman — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 08:23:38 -0500

“Assuming the problem is legitimate “ is the key phrase that you always omit in your rush to always provide free stuff. We would tear off an entire roof of ours if done incorrectly and have done so after installing the wrong color before. We have ALWAYS made our mistakes right without any need for combat or even tension, and we part with our customers amicably on every job. The point I’m making that the student of human nature doesn’t grasp, is that I don’t honor unreasonable requests if our work is done properly. By the way our reputation is golden in our area and our customers love us. Yes, when a customer mistakenly thinks we dinged his gutter I will usually fix it if I forgot to take before pictures. No I will not jump through unnecessary hoops to placate someone trying to get something for free. Worked really well for me all these years. When you’re ready for my class send me a couple hundred bucks and I’ll sign you up. It will teach you how to have a spine and control your customers properly while still getting great reviews and references.

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@Ivoman — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 07:59:39 -0500

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@Tileman — Thu, 15 Apr 2021 21:42:52 -0500

And I would agree with that strategy. Explain things in an honest and reasonable manner first. If the customer is dead set on a minor repair then we would always do it. Some people (no names mentioned) just capitulate to every request and it is absolutely not necessary to establish a great reputation. There are a lot of passive/aggressive people (again no names mentioned) who feel whole by boxing a contractor in and winning a meaningless battle that costs the contractor money and does not improve the quality of the job. I am so thankful that we don’t have to validate our existence by sucking up to an unreasonable customer to get them to approve of our top notch work on social media. The only bad reviews we have after 25 years in business are based on me or one of my trucks cutting someone off in traffic (they deserved it) or some jerkoff neighbor of one of our jobsites who got woke up and complained saying “the owner is extremely rude”, which is also true.

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@andywrs As45 70 — Thu, 15 Apr 2021 19:21:35 -0500

If it were my roof would i have them pull it up? No.

If i was your contractor and my explanation didn’t put this to bed then more than likely i would be replacing the plywood. Some folks just wont sleep at night if they think there is a potential issue and i get that vibe from your posts.

If it was two sheets hell NO, you seen the prices lately

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@Ivoman — Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:19:19 -0500

Damn … my true identity has been compromised!

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@Darkthirty — Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:07:25 -0500

Mr Teesla! Wondered where you’ve been!

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@Tileman — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:50:59 -0500

Ouch. Sorry and let me know how I can help if needed. I feel guilty now.

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@Ivoman — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:47:08 -0500

I wake up in the morning and shove a coil of nails into my underwear just to feel I’m alive. Pour some Napalm into my coffee to keep it warm for hours and toss kittens into traffic to see how long they last.

Then I sit on my Gucci chair and assess how best to configure my preferences in Eagleview whilst I’m getting my nails done.

Oh … what was a that ladder thingy you were talking about again?

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@Tileman — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:41:54 -0500

Self assessed superiority, student of human nature, nobody gives a crap how hard anyone works, help them feel assured, blah blah blah. Put on some nailbags and shed the knee pads. Have you even been up a ladder or does eagleview tell you everything you need to know?

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@Ivoman — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:34:08 -0500

If you feel every conflict is an opportunity to demonstrate your self assessed superiority, you’ll be sadly disappointed at the opportunities that pass you by. I have been a student of human nature for far many more years than I care to recall. Pick the battles worth fighting and be intelligent enough to recognize the ones that are not worth it. Petty skirmishes leave lasting residue that resurfaces when you least expect it and at the most inopportune times. Nobody gives a crap at how hard anyone works, or what they proclaim to have done when they are dismissed as a nuisance who is trivial and whiney. A customer is your customer and the privilege granted you through compensation and opportunity should never forgotten. Taking a small step to help them feel assured yields far better outcomes than being a belligerent self inflated prima donna who refuses to budge at the risk of bruising their fragile ego.

Nice chatting with you again …

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@Tileman — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:13:00 -0500

Sorry, hit reply prematurely. I agree about making sure every customer is satisfied when we leave but if you fall into this rhythm of customer always being right without showing any spine you will always be subservient to them and will become a victim to everyone threatening a bad review. Never read a book on “how to close the deal”! but we leave every job with a great review/referral waiting for us, even when we had to resolve conflict.I don’t ever have to kowtow to some passive/aggressive asshat. Reward for all those bundles and hot tar buckets I hauled up ladders I guess. Not willing to take shit from people unnecessarily when we did everything we said we’d do.

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@Tileman — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:04:27 -0500

Do you bend over for every customer that complains?

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@roof_lover Singletrackin — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 04:11:45 -0500

One of the reasons i try to steer away from ridge venting…
We are cutting away the support from the top of the roof…

Sometimes the ridge vent hole sheeting can look pretty beat up and cracked from the inside.

But no one stands on the ridge vent once its
installed.
There is no load to worry about.

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@Ivoman — Tue, 13 Apr 2021 23:03:02 -0500

Enduring customer anxiety vs a simple fix of a small piece of plywood. Fix the wood.

IMO, the issue is less the probability the wood will fail but rather the acknowledgement this has pissed you off and you want it fixed.

Solution? Beer and dueling lawn darts at 10 paces!

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@Darkthirty — Tue, 13 Apr 2021 21:28:11 -0500

If there is any deflection on the damaged section it will leak during blowing rains.

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@sn002 Sony — Tue, 13 Apr 2021 19:24:08 -0500

andywrs,

Is there a way to upload a picture on here?

Authenthic_Dad,

Supporting snow and strong wind.

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@Authentic_Dad Mtcraney — Tue, 13 Apr 2021 17:19:58 -0500

Weak spot for what? It’s supporting about zero load where it’s located. I’d leave it alone.

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@andywrs As45 70 — Tue, 13 Apr 2021 15:45:46 -0500

My gut say no big deal and i would agree with them. A pic of the issue would enable a better evaluation.

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@sn002 Sony — Tue, 13 Apr 2021 15:20:28 -0500

We just had a new roof installed and one thin piece of plywood around 4"x8’ at the peak of the roof where the ridge vent is split up and cracked when roofers nailed shingles/ridge vent down.

The roof company claimed it is going to be fine and all the warranty still hold and refused
to replace the damaged plywood as it would need to remove the ridge vent system and all. I personally want them to replace since the cracked plywood is a weak spot. Not only that, I expect the roof to last 2 decades that it has to endure wind, snow and sun. Please advice.

Insurance/drip edge

@Ivoman — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 23:20:31 -0500

First, rather than basing your frustration on a verbal requirement, ask the adjuster to email you the request in a clearly worded statement. Either the adjuster miscommunicated, or you have misunderstood what was asked. Based on your statement, several things come to mind. Citing IRC code is not unreasonable and can be somewhat easily referenced as long you are clear on what you are looking for. Fascia is indeed solid if it is wood fascia, but is that the case with aluminum fascia? Does solid mean it is not a liquid or a gas or does it mean it is durable and can support weight? Drip edge can be installed when no fascia is present and is typically fastened through the wood decking and not through the fascia board. Same can be said about gutters hung on rafter ends where no wood fascia exists.

Your frustration is obvious and I can appreciate that. I have learned better questions yield better answers. Ask the adjuster to clarify the request and use direct reference to the aspect in question. If they are willing to do so, you’ll reciprocate their commitment by sourcing the exact reference they need. Everyone will win and there may be a beer in it for everyone afterwards.

Good luck!

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@TrejoRoofer Francisco Home Trejo — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 21:27:08 -0500

How would you guys go after insurance adjuster says, Can you provide with the IRC codes from the county stating you need fascia to be solid to install drip edge and gutters, i was lost at first like it’s common sense to install drip edge and gutter to something solid especially if fascia is falling down and damaged. Or am I missing something ?

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